Joannis Antić
1739–1793
Given name at death
| The tree says | Joannis Antić (Papa), died 27 February 1793, born 1739 |
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| The record says | Antonius Antich Martini, died 27 February 1793, aged about 54 |
Selce deaths 1790-1815, image 81 left page, house 34 as read: «Die 27a Februarii 793 Antonius Antich Martini annorum circiter 54». The day, month and age are the tree's and the given name is not: the register says Antonius, underlined, and Martini is not Papa. Three readings and none is chosen: the Karić tree has the right man and the wrong first name; it has the date and age from somewhere and attached them to a man it called Joannes; or this is a different Antich who died the same day at the same age. The entry is recorded as an Antich of the right age, NOT as a reading of ahnentafel 96. UPDATED 11 October 2026: the Selce marriage of his son Joannes (ahnentafel 48) to Martha Lončarić, 18 November 1798 (image 248 left), names the groom's parents as «Defunctorum Anto[nii] et Ursulae Antich» — Antonius, with Ursula (ahnentafel 97). Two independent register entries now give Antonius and none gives Joannis; the tree's «Joannis» is very probably a transcription of the son's name. Read it →
He was not called “Joannis”
| The tree records | Joannis |
|---|---|
| Which is | the genitive of Joannes |
These registers are narrative Latin. A priest writing baptizavi Josephum — “I baptised Josephus” — is writing a case ending, and filius Josephi is “son of Josephus”. Transcribed literally, the ending becomes the name. In life this person was Joannes, or its Croatian form. All forty of them →
| Born | 1739 |
|---|---|
| Died | 27 FEB 1793, Selce |
| Ahnentafel | 96 — generation 7, a direct ancestor of Hedviga |
| Record | @I504627@ |
Family
The mark describes the person, not the link. Of the 2 relatives drawn here, 2 have a document of their own in this archive — but that is not the same as a document tying them to this person. This archive holds no separate proof for most parent–child links; where it does, the note above this chart says so in words.
What the registers say about Joannis
| Year | Document | The citation, in the register's own words |
|---|---|---|
| 1793 | death | Selce Umrli 1790-1815, image 81 left page (DGS 5482267, waypoint 9R2M-BZF) — «Die 27 Februarii 793 ANTONIUS Antich Martini annorum circiter 54 … sepultum est», domus 34 as read. READ FROM THE IMAGE. THE DAY, MONTH AND AGE ARE THE TREE'S BUT THE GIVEN NAME IS NOT: the tree has Joannis Antić (Papa), the register has Antonius, and Martini is not Papa. NOT CONFIRMED as ahnentafel 96; recorded as an Antonius Antich of about 54 who died at Selce on 27 Feb 1793; ark 3:1:3QS7-L99C-59DD-H notes/selce-deaths-1793-1807-1811.md |
| 1798 | marriage-of-child | named as the groom's late father, written «Anto[nii]» - agrees with the 1793 death entry's Antonius and not with the tree's Joannis notes/selce-marriage-1798-antic-loncaric.md |
The register pages themselves
The page as it was read, with the film, the image number and a link to the viewer. What a snapshot is and is not →
Selce marriages 1790–1815 (DGS 5482267, FamilySearch waypoint 9R2M-BZF) · image 248, left-hand page, headed «Anno 1798»: the second entry, numbered 27 in the margin.
Open the image in the viewer → · the working note
Selce deaths 1790–1815 (DGS 5482267, FamilySearch waypoint 9R2M-BZF) · image 81, left-hand page, headed «Anno 1793»: the fourth entry, house number 34 in the margin.
Open the image in the viewer → · the working note
Where this comes from
Disputed
this archive has shown something recorded about them to be wrong.
1 correction or note has been recorded against this page — set out above, and listed on What changed.
Where this sits on the line
Ahnentafel 96 — generation 7 of Hedviga's descent. Every person's father is twice their own number and their mother twice plus one, so this person's parents are 192 and 193.
The register spells this surname more than one way, and the search folds the forms together — so Xubrinich and Žubrinić, Joannis and Ivan, find each other.
The spine →
Where this surname sits on the map →
What the tree says that cannot be true →
Events, as the record has them
- birth 1739
- death 27 FEB 1793 Selce
Sources attached in the tree
- Marko Karic rodoslov — Joannis Antić, PAPA
An online family tree is a witness, not a source. Where a citation points at a parish register or a FamilySearch image, that is the thing worth going to. Sources →
Others of the same name
These parishes repeat their names relentlessly — 94 Marijas and 88 Ivans in this archive alone. These are different people, kept apart on purpose rather than merged into one. Merging on a name is exactly how this tree came to hold a man born after his own granddaughter.
| Joannis Antić | 1765–13 MAR 1829 | Selce | direct line |
Same name, and nothing here says they are related. Why the names repeat →