Josip Anton "Joso" Papić
1857–1939 · Senj, Općina Senj, Lika-Senj County, Croatia
Marriage and trade
| The tree says | Married Antonija Prpić; trhonoša, bremenar, gostioničar |
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| The record says | Married 3 May 1885 at Senj, aged 27, entered bremenar |
Senj marriages p.192 no.5. He is 27 and she 26, matching births of 1857 and 1859. The entry names all four parents: Juraj Papa/Papić, težak, and Matea r. Pilipić; Ivan Perpić, seljak, and Luca. Witnesses Franjo and Toma Perpić, seljaci; Mirko Babić, kapelan. Read it →
| Born | 1 NOV 1857, Senj, Općina Senj, Lika-Senj County, Croatia |
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| Died | 19 NOV 1939, Senj, Croatia |
| Occupation | Trhonosa,bremenar,gostionicar. Trhonosa,bremenar,gostionicar — Senj |
| Line | Papić · everyone of the name → |
| Ahnentafel | 6 — generation 3, a direct ancestor of Hedviga |
| Record | @I195@ |
Family
The mark describes the person, not the link. Of the 20 relatives drawn here, 13 have a document of their own in this archive — but that is not the same as a document tying them to this person. This archive holds no separate proof for most parent–child links; where it does, the note above this chart says so in words.
What the registers say about Josip Anton
| Year | Document | The citation, in the register's own words |
|---|---|---|
| 1857 | baptism | Senj, 1 Nov 1857 — "baptizavi Josephum filium legitimum Romano-Catholicum Joannis Papa et ejus uxoris Mathiae Pilipic", godfather + Michael Stipancic |
| 1885 | marriage | Senj, 3 May 1885, entry 5 — "Josip Papic, bremenar, Senj, 27" |
| 1939 | grave | Senj municipal cemetery, stone cross — «JOSIP PAPIĆ ✽1857 †1939»; both years agree with the tree (b. 1 Nov 1857, d. 19 Nov 1939). Read at 4x; IMG_8131 notes/senj-cemetery-2024.md |
| 1886 | named-on-a-child-baptism | Senj baptisms Str. 122 entry 96, READ FROM THE IMAGE — «Milka Lucia», zakonita, born 9 October 1886, baptised 17 October; father «Josip Papić, trhonoša», mother «Tonka rođ. Prpić»; godparents Josip Glavičić, trhonoša, and Ivka Filipović. The register writes the birth «1886, 9/10». The margin was annotated at her death: «Uvidom u matičnu knjigu umrlih opć. Senj str. 280. red. br. 37. umrla dana 7.9.1971», endorsed 30.9.1971 Named on Milka Lucia Papic's entry rather than their own — a register names you is not a register is about you. |
| 1888 | named-on-a-child-baptism index only — the page has not been opened | Senj, baptised 3 Jul 1888 — «Joso Papić × Tona Perpić»; ark 1:1:X9DP-3YVS. INDEX ONLY, and it gives no birth day Named on Ana "Anica" Papić's entry rather than their own — a register names you is not a register is about you. notes/senj-1886-milka-baptism-index.md |
| 1890 | named-on-a-child-baptism index only — the page has not been opened | Senj, baptised 1890 — «Joso Papić × Tonka Prpić»; ark 1:1:X9DP-3BD3. INDEX ONLY, and it gives no day Named on Josip Papić's entry rather than their own — a register names you is not a register is about you. notes/senj-1886-milka-baptism-index.md |
| 1891 | named-on-a-child-baptism index only — the page has not been opened | Senj, born 9 Dec 1891, baptised 13 Dec 1891 — «Joso Papić × Tonka Prpić»; ark 1:1:X9D5-M739. INDEX ONLY. Agrees with the tree to the day, and with her own marriage register Named on Bozica Tonka Papić's entry rather than their own — a register names you is not a register is about you. notes/senj-1886-milka-baptism-index.md |
The register pages themselves
The page as it was read, with the film, the image number and a link to the viewer. What a snapshot is and is not →
Senj marriages (Vjenčani) 1859–1920 (FamilySearch waypoint 9R2D-N3F) · image 196, a two-page spread: the LEFT page (printed 191) has the couple, places and ages, the RIGHT page (printed p. 192) the parents, witnesses and priest; the entry is no. 5, the middle row of both.
Open the image in the viewer → · the other page, or the whole page · the working note
Senj births (Rođeni) 1756–1858 (FamilySearch waypoint 9R2M-L27) · image 571, right-hand page (printed 31), the second entry from the foot of the visible part, numbered 117: «Anno Domini 1857 die 1 Novembris»; the entry before it (116) is the baptism of Aloysia Anna on the same date.
Open the image in the viewer → · the working note
One more person found beside Josip Anton
Every one of these was read out of a parish register for this person — named in an entry that is about Josip Anton, or beside him in one. The family tree holds none of them, so that one cannot appear in the chart above. This is evidence standing beside the tree rather than inside it.
| Who | How they stand to Josip Anton | Read from |
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| Matilda Papić parish register · not yet in the family tree | third name on the stone cross of Josip Papić (ahnentafel 6) and Antonija — almost certainly their daughter | memorial, died 1921, born 1895 · Senj |
Where this comes from
Read
a register or certificate has been read for this person.
9 images are attached to this person , of which 7 are documents rather than photographs.
1 correction or note has been recorded against this page — set out above, and listed on What changed.
Where this sits on the line
Ahnentafel 6 — generation 3 of Hedviga's descent. Every person's father is twice their own number and their mother twice plus one, so this person's parents are 12 and 13.
The register spells this surname more than one way, and the search folds the forms together — so Xubrinich and Žubrinić, Joannis and Ivan, find each other.
The spine →
Where this surname sits on the map →
What the tree says that cannot be true →
Events, as the record has them
- death 19 NOV 1939 Senj, Croatia
- birth 1 NOV 1857 Senj, Općina Senj, Lika-Senj County, Croatia "Croatia, Church Books, 1516-1994," database with images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-L99C-5TBF?cc=2040054&wc=9R2M-L27%3A391644801%2C391920301%2C391920401 : 6 April 2015), Roman Catholic (Rimokatolička crkva) > Senj (Senj) > Births (Rođeni) 1756-1858 > image 571 of 589; Arhiva Hrvatske u Zagrebu (Croatia State Archives), Zagreb.
Notes carried in the tree
Reproduced as written, minus the automated copy-reference boilerplate. These are what the family and other researchers put down, not what this archive has verified.
we need to check who is this josip papic? different marriage? "Croatia, Church Books, 1516-1994," database with images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QSQ-G99X-17BY?cc=2040054&wc=9R2D-N3F%3A391644801%2C391920301%2C391921101 : 16 July 2014), Roman Catholic (Rimokatolička crkva) > Senj (Senj) > Marriages (Vjenčani) 1859-1920 > image 245 of 376; Arhiva Hrvatske u Zagrebu (Croatia State Archives), Zagreb.
Documents and photographs
7 documents and 2 photographs in the MyHeritage media library carry this person's tag. None of them travelled in the GEDCOM. All of them →
A tag says somebody linked this image to this person — not that the person is in it. A register page is tagged to everyone it names. Method →
Sources attached in the tree
- Defranceski Family Site (23andMe) — https://www.myheritage.com/person-1500049_OYYV6LFZPZVJRS42NCV5KU3QSWJBCMI_OYYV6LFZPZVJRS42NCV5KU3QSWJBCMI/josip-papic
- Geni World Family Tree — https://www.myheritage.com/research/record-40000-223705945/josip-papić-in-geni-world-family-tree
An online family tree is a witness, not a source. Where a citation points at a parish register or a FamilySearch image, that is the thing worth going to. Sources →