Lucia (Maja) Tomljanović
?–1809 · Montani Stanište
Age at death
| The tree says | Lucia (Maja) Tomljanović, died 19 September 1809, wife of Michael Gerkacs, married 2 November 1785 |
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| The record says | «Lucia, vulgo Maja, uxor Michaelis Gergacs, annorum 34», 19 September 1809 |
Karlobag deaths 1804-1861, page 12 (image 125 left page). The day and month, the by-name Maja and the husband are the tree's. The age is not: 34 in 1809 is a birth about 1775, which would have her marry at ten in 1785 and bear Maria, ahnentafel 55, at fourteen in 1789. Either the age is wrong by about twenty years, or this is a different Lucia, also Michael Gergacs's wife, and a second marriage after 1789 is possible. NOT RESOLVED. She is not in the volume's index under Tomljanović. Read it →
| Died | 19 SEP 1809, Karlobag |
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| Ahnentafel | 111 — generation 7, a direct ancestor of Hedviga |
| Record | @I1857@ |
Family
The mark describes the person, not the link. Of the 3 relatives drawn here, 3 have a document of their own in this archive — but that is not the same as a document tying them to this person. This archive holds no separate proof for most parent–child links; where it does, the note above this chart says so in words.
What the registers say about Lucia (Maja)
| Year | Document | The citation, in the register's own words |
|---|---|---|
| 1785 | marriage | the bride of the same entry, «Luciae [filiae] Pauli Tomljenovich, loci Montani Stanize» notes/karlobag-marriage-1785-gerkacs-tomljanovic.md |
| 1809 | death | Karlobag Umrli 1804-1861 page 12 (image 125 left, DGS 5481649, waypoint 9RK1-HZK) — «19. [Sept.] Lucia, vulgo Maja, uxor Michaelis Gergacs, annorum 34, provisa omnibus sacramentis obiit in Domino, atque in propria crypta in coemeterio existente humata est». READ FROM THE IMAGE. The day and month are the tree's to the day, the by-name «Maja» is the tree's, and the husband is Michael Gergacs; THE AGE DOES NOT FIT (34 in 1809 against a marriage of 1785 and a daughter baptised 1789) and is unresolved, so a second wife of the same husband cannot be ruled out. Not in the KAZALO under Tomljanović; ark 3:1:3QS7-L99C-G99J notes/karlobag-deaths-1809-1828.md |
| 1789 | named-on-a-child-baptism index only — the page has not been opened | Karlobag, August 1789 — «Mariam Gergacs», of «Michaele Gergacs» and «Lucia»; ark 1:1:QKMX-YJP7. INDEX ONLY, not read from the image, and it gives the month without the day. The tree says 11 August 1789 and the index does not contradict it Named on Mariam Gerkacs (Gergacs)'s entry rather than their own — a register names you is not a register is about you. notes/karlobag-households-indexed.md |
The register pages themselves
The page as it was read, with the film, the image number and a link to the viewer. What a snapshot is and is not →
Karlobag marriages 1736–1804 (DGS 5481649, FamilySearch waypoint 9RK1-HZK) · image 324, right-hand page, headed «Anno Dni 1785»: the third entry, in the left margin «2 Novemb».
Open the image in the viewer → · the working note
![Karlobag, 19 September 1809 — Lucia, called Maja, wife of Michael Gergacs, aged 34. The register page as read: image 125, left-hand page (page 12), headed «Annus Domini 1809»: the entry «19 [Sept]», fourth from the foot.](/snaps/karlobag-death-1809-lucia-maja-page.jpg)
Karlobag deaths 1804–1861 (DGS 5481649, FamilySearch waypoint 9RK1-HZK) · image 125, left-hand page (page 12), headed «Annus Domini 1809»: the entry «19 [Sept]», fourth from the foot.
Open the image in the viewer → · the working note
7 more people found beside Lucia (Maja)
Every one of these was read out of a parish register for this person — named in an entry that is about Lucia (Maja), or beside her in one. The family tree holds none of them, so they cannot appear in the chart above. This is evidence standing beside the tree rather than inside it.
| Who | How they stand to Lucia (Maja) | Read from |
|---|---|---|
| Magdalenam Gergacs parish register · not yet in the family tree | daughter of ahnentafel 110 and 111, and not in the tree | baptism, 11 March 1787 · Karlobag |
| Magdalenam Gargacs parish register · not yet in the family tree | SECOND daughter of that name to ahnentafel 110 and 111 — a necronym, or the index holding one child twice | baptism, January 1792 · Karlobag |
| Catharinam Gergacz parish register · not yet in the family tree | daughter of ahnentafel 110 and 111, and not in the tree | baptism, 25 November 1794 · Karlobag |
| Bartholomæum Gergacs parish register · not yet in the family tree | son of ahnentafel 110 and 111, and not in the tree | baptism, 17 August 1797 · Karlobag |
| Mathiam Gergacs parish register · not yet in the family tree | son of ahnentafel 110 and 111, and not in the tree | baptism, 23 February 1801 · Karlobag |
| Josephus Tomlienevics parish register · not yet in the family tree | son of a Paulus Tomljanović of Karlobag; CANDIDATE brother of ahnentafel 111 | baptism, July 1784 · Karlobag |
| Joannam Tomljenovich parish register · not yet in the family tree | daughter of a Paulus Tomljanović of Karlobag; CANDIDATE sister of ahnentafel 111 | baptism, June 1787 · Karlobag |
Where this comes from
Disputed
this archive has shown something recorded about them to be wrong.
1 correction or note has been recorded against this page — set out above, and listed on What changed.
Where this sits on the line
Ahnentafel 111 — generation 7 of Hedviga's descent. Every person's father is twice their own number and their mother twice plus one, so this person's parents are 222 and 223.
The register spells this surname more than one way, and the search folds the forms together — so Xubrinich and Žubrinić, Joannis and Ivan, find each other.
The spine →
Where this surname sits on the map →
What the tree says that cannot be true →
Events, as the record has them
- birth Montani Stanište
- death 19 SEP 1809 Karlobag
Sources attached in the tree
- Defranceski Family Site (23andMe) — https://www.myheritage.com/person-1500222_OYYV6LFZPZVJRS42NCV5KU3QSWJBCMI_OYYV6LFZPZVJRS42NCV5KU3QSWJBCMI/lucia-gerkacs-maja-ro%C4%91en-tomljanovi%C4%87
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