Lucija Loncaric Papić (Papa)
1806–1879 · Selce, Croatia
The only parent on record here is not a person
| Entered as the parent | 1800-1830 Birth - Selce Papić (Papa) |
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That is a sorting label — a note somebody typed into the parent's slot while working through records. No priest wrote it and nobody was called it. It is the only parent this record has, so nothing documented attaches this person to anyone. This is not a claim that the person is invented; the register entries behind them are real. It is a statement about the join. Why this matters →
A husband and wife recorded as each other's sex
| The tree says | Lucija Lončarić Papić, born 1806 at Selce and died 1879 — sex recorded M, entered as the husband of Ivan |
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| The record says | 25 of the 27 other people here whose name is a form of Lucija are women; all 103 people here named Ivan are men |
The pair is the finding, not the person. A woman's name stands in the husband's place and a man's name in the wife's, and both sex fields follow the place rather than the name. That is one swap, recorded twice. Neither half is corrected here, because the archive reports the tree and does not edit it — but neither half should be read as it stands. Read it →
| Born | 1806, Selce, Croatia |
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| Died | 1879 |
| Line | Papić (Papa) · everyone of the name → |
| Record | @I509079@ |
No parent is recorded for this person
The family tree does give one. It is not a person: it is 1800-1830 Birth - Selce Papić (Papa) — a sorting label, one of the drawers a researcher used to hold names they had not placed yet. This archive does not publish those as ancestors, so the space above is empty rather than filled with a filing system.
It is not a small thing. 144 published people here have a label where a father should be, and 286 hang off one somewhere. What the labels are →
Family
The mark describes the person, not the link. Of the 9 relatives drawn here, 0 have a document of their own in this archive — but that is not the same as a document tying them to this person. This archive holds no separate proof for most parent–child links; where it does, the note above this chart says so in words. 1 is judged living and withheld from this build entirely.
More than one person in this chart carries the same name — Joannis Papić (Papa). That is what the source says. This archive does not merge records on a name, so they are drawn separately even where one duplicated entry is the likelier explanation.
Where this comes from
Disputed
this archive has shown something recorded about them to be wrong.
1 correction or note has been recorded against this page — set out above, and listed on What changed.
Where this sits in the family
Not on the direct line. They are published because they belong to one of the eight surnames this archive follows.
The register spells this surname more than one way, and the search folds the forms together — so Xubrinich and Žubrinić, Joannis and Ivan, find each other.
Where this surname sits on the map →
What the tree says that cannot be true →
Events, as the record has them
- birth 1806 Selce, Croatia
- death 1879 "Croatia, Church Books, 1516-1994," database with images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-899X-13RP?cc=2040054&wc=9R2D-N32%3A391644801%2C391919101%2C391919301 : 16 July 2014), Roman Catholic (Rimokatolička crkva) > Selce > Deaths (Umrli) 1816-1886 > image 103 of 117; Arhiva Hrvatske u Zagrebu (Croatia State Archives), Zagreb.
Sources attached in the tree
None. This person carries no source string at all in the tree. They may still be right — but nothing here can be checked without going to the register. Method →
An online family tree is a witness, not a source. Where a citation points at a parish register or a FamilySearch image, that is the thing worth going to. Sources →